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What Do You Think About Jefferson Meadows?

Developer wants to put a 85-unit workforce rental complex in Port Jefferson Station.

On Monday, on the former Ramp Chevrolet car dealership on Route 112 in Port Jefferson Station. Coming under the unmbrella of the Town's Blight to Light program, the developer needs the board to approve the plan in order to change the zoning from commercial to residential usage.

Tsunis says that the project will bring much needed low-income rentals to Long Island, to help retain people who can't afford the high prices of housing. It will also help stem the spread of suburban sprawl, by preventing yet another strip mall from being built on the corridor.

Residents say that the burden on the school district will be too much and that what the area needs is a business that will bring more jobs, not more homes to an area that is already suffering from the nation-wide real estate slump.

Then there is the question of whether or not using the Brookhaven Town Blight to Light program is too subjective in this case to be applied.

Correction: An earlier version of this story listed the auto dealership as Ramp Ford. That was incorrect. The dealership was Ramp Chevrolet. Ramp Ford located in Nesconset is still open.

So Patch wants to know, what do you think about the Jefferson Meadows project planned for Route 112 in Port Jefferson Station?

Arona Kessler October 21, 2011 at 02:43 PM
I am nearly 25, and I have lived in Port Jefferson Station my entire life. I have a good job that pays me well, considering I have no family to support and paid my college tuition so I have no loans to pay off. I pay my parents a decent rent to live with them. The amount I'm paying them would get me a beautiful, spacious apartment in Binghamton or Syracuse. And yet, if I moved into this "affordable" housing that is being proposed in Port Jefferson Station, I would have no money left over at the end of the month for gas, groceries, my asthma inhaler or anything else. I can't help but feel like some of my neighbors just want me to stay with my parents indefinitely, or move off Long Island, and I don't want to do either of those things.
Daisy October 21, 2011 at 02:51 PM
This would only bring more traffic and congestion to the already crazy Rt. 347. You can't even get down the highway now in the middle of the day. Low income housing will bring our home values down even more.
tom Mattus October 21, 2011 at 03:59 PM
The concept of taking a blighted and potentially dangerous piece of property into affordable rental housing is a great idea. The town is already taking the old movie property in Coram and making it a new place to live and should do the same in Port Jefferson. This is a visionary idea that needs to be approved.
JOHN October 21, 2011 at 06:08 PM
Just what we need!! Drugs, crime and lowlifes.
Tom G October 21, 2011 at 08:27 PM
I think John has covered it all except to say, we do not need evrn more increased traffic on Rt 347 which is already so congested and becoming more so. This is a very bad idea!
Spatico October 21, 2011 at 09:41 PM
"Workforce apartments". Yeah right with the way PJS is going theyre going to be messed up. Who would want to move tO PJS in these expensive apartments. When they can get a 600 $ a month apartment in a house in PJS or PJ on main street or in a better area.
Sheila McCarthy Granito October 22, 2011 at 12:00 AM
The development of this property as high density workforce rental units is a mistake for both the potential residents and the surrounding community. An expensive specialty food market which is quite a distance as the major shopping center? What is not mentioned in any of the coverage here is the the existence of a covenant under the current zoning which protects much of the wooded area on the Ramp Chevy property, this needs to be protected! Stop clearing trees to enrich developers we did it once revamp what has already been built, be creative, attract a business which will have to honor the covenant under current zoning and provide long term jobs.
tax payer October 22, 2011 at 05:34 AM
This site is not blighted.
tax payer October 22, 2011 at 05:36 AM
How about something for the little ones...park...we have so many children in this area. Give something back to the community not just gain income for yourself...
greencap October 22, 2011 at 06:26 AM
This is why young people are leaving LI in droves. Every time that high density housing is mentioned, people complain as they don't want more kids in their schools. Well you will get your wish because with the current youth drain on LI, there will be less and less kids being born. Schools want to have low density housing paying very high taxes so they have more cash per pupil. If you are someone in your 20s-early 30s and not ready to buy a house yet, your choices are very poor. You can live in an illegal basement apartment for $1000+ a month or stay in a crappy managed complex for $1300+. There is a serious lack of rental units, and instead of doing all of that, Young people are either moving to the city, or to cheaper growing areas. So we will reap what we sow, and LI will be a wasteland with no jobs in the next 10-20 years.
greencap October 22, 2011 at 06:30 AM
Well our house prices are going to go down even further when all the young people keep leaving LI and bringing their startups, talents and energy with them. Instead lets build another CVS or 10 McMansions there, and all will be well for short term gain.
greencap October 22, 2011 at 06:32 AM
347 is being re-engineered to mitigate the problems brought not by high densisty residential, but all of the retail that has been built. Walmart added another traffic light and more traffic but nobody complained about that. Because that is the Long Island way, more big box stores and CVS but less housing for our young people just starting out!
greencap October 22, 2011 at 06:34 AM
You can barely rent a room in those places you mentioned for $600. Apartments are $1000+ on LI nearly everywhere you go.
greencap October 22, 2011 at 06:38 AM
You are 100% correct. That is why youth and companies are leaving LI. Then all the NIMBY's here will have their precious home prices drop because there will be no jobs and no energy on LI. The reason why housing is so expensive on LI is that any attempt to build higher density housing is met with a wall of red tape and short sighted people. One day this will change, but by then it will be too late. In the meantime I am sure they can build the 1000th Long Island CVS on that site and be welcomed with open arms.
Sheila McCarthy Granito October 22, 2011 at 09:02 AM
Young are people moving to what city in apartments that are $1300-1500? Basement apartments do not rent for a $1000. How about a small community that is rent to own? How about a park or cooperative garden to plant sustainable vegetables and fruit? How about fixing "downtown" Port Jefferson Station by the train tracks before creating another?
Sheila McCarthy Granito October 22, 2011 at 09:09 AM
Oops sorry about the sentence error above. I would like to know where this city is that rents apartments for $1300 so I can move there too.
Sheila McCarthy Granito October 22, 2011 at 09:22 AM
I think we are putting the cart before the horse. I don't see jobs in the paper or online that require housing for a "WORKFORCE". I DO however see many rental housing options in the $ 1300-1500 range. This project would just substitute a "McGhetto" for the "McMansions" !
John Petsco October 22, 2011 at 11:03 AM
this is a much needed project. our children need a place to start their lives. as far as the comments about this being a "McGhetto" the developer is doing this to MAKE money, not invest millions of dollars to build a ghetto. I live 2 blocks away from the site and I believe that this is a much needed development
Sheila McCarthy Granito October 22, 2011 at 12:10 PM
That is exactly my point the developer will MAKE a lot of money without much of a personal investment. This project would be perfect close to the train station with mixed usage of commercial and multi-unit residences for young people. How about a center for a domestic peace corps/think tank where recent graduates could volunteer their time in exchange for loan forgiveness on this site?
diamond October 22, 2011 at 02:47 PM
Just as usual I would like to see a dollar amount that equals what Tunis says would be low-income -rentals .When he uses a term like that it dosent mean a thing .Lets see a dollar amount then we can see if it is Low -income or not. Until then it is just smoke
KB October 22, 2011 at 02:56 PM
from what I understand the income cap to live in this proposed development would be about $65,000/ couple, increasing slightly for 1-2 kids. $65,000 combined income for a couple is low income by LI standards....what would we be attracting??? And once you surpass that income cap, you need to move...so what will these couples have invested in their beautiful apartments if they know if they will be kicked out once they make too much money.....why bother to take care of what has been given to you???? And why care about the community you will be temporarily living in if you know you are only an invited guest while you are considered poor???? I just do not see this being positive for any of us who own homes and take pride in the community we live in. And before I get blasted for my comments, for the record, I am considered Low income based on my families income level & number of kids...I have accepted food stamps, and medicaid....I have fallen behind on my mortgage when my husband lost his jovve 2 years ago, but we have managed to pay back the money that was owed. I love my neighborhood and my home - I have a vested interest.....my home is well kept because it belongs to me and even though I am poor by current standards, i take pride in what i own and have respect for my neighbors. My conccern is that if we rent apartments to couples with the understanding they can only stay while they are considered "poor" what is the incentive to better yourself and give back to the community???
Sheila McCarthy Granito October 22, 2011 at 03:15 PM
KB we have all struggled through these tough economic times and you are brave to share so much with us. I too believe we need jobs and housing that attract those with a vested interest in THIS community ,Port Jefferson Station, not those who are just passing through. We care just as much as those who live in Belle Terre, Setauket, Port Jefferson Village and Mount Sinai. Help low income people with mortgages keep the homes they are currently living in and stay in our community!
greencap October 22, 2011 at 05:59 PM
Sheila, check out http://longisland.craigslist.org/apa/. Look at how many apartments there are not in the 4 figures a month. I am not saying NYC is any cheaper, it is just that young people would rather move there and live in Brooklyn or Queens given that prices there arent much different, and there are more job opportunities. But people moving to NYC aside, there are a lot moving to other areas of the country. This is not anecdotal, look at the stats we are losing 18-34 year olds at an alarming rate.
greencap October 22, 2011 at 06:06 PM
Keep in mind too that the dwellings that people are renting here are not designed for apartments. So you are living in a basement hearing everyone above you. I was paying $1600 a month to live in a (nice) complex in lower Port Jefferson. The choices of non residental complexes are very low, so places like Avalon in Coram can list obscene prices that are 1800-2500 a month. That is approaching Manhattan rents.
tax payer October 23, 2011 at 12:39 PM
My real concern is this loosely worded "blight to Light" initiative written by Mark Lesko. It is written so that any developer can manipulate it to fit their agenda. They can take a taxpayer funded program and tailor it to fit their needs and maximize their profits. What is disturbing is that they can stage an area to look blighted and then do with it as they please. I just ask that we all come out on election day and let our voices be heard. We "the people". Let your voices be heard.
John P October 26, 2011 at 05:15 PM
I have been a home owner for the last 3 yrs in PJS I have witnessed what "low income housing" does to a neighborhood, you bring in all of these section 8 problematic people, they observe their surroundings, then you have a new crime wave of burglaries going on... that the 6th PCT can't handle because the patrol area hasn't changed since the 60's there are not enough police officers to address current issues, and some big shot developer wants to look like he is doing someone a favor... all he is doing is creating residual income for himself and bigger problems for the current home owners of PJ / PJS.... As far as our young people not having someplace to live give me a break show me a under 30 who has 100k saved to buy their first home. We were all there party then think.... One more thing I drive on 347 daily it is crowded all the time not just near shopping centers, one of the worst spots is near the Smith-Haven Mall where the idiots try to speed past everyone in a right hand lane that ends right after a traffic light
Denise Longh December 01, 2011 at 03:09 AM
let us see who will be moving in? the people from our community who needs a place to loive, or taken off a welfare list from another town that has never paid taxes in our town. Does eveyone realize we have vacancies right now in pjs that are the same rents as tsunis is going to charge? Please tell me why we need more apartments when there are vacancies open that have the same rental cost now? Justify cutting down those tress and building more huge buidings 35 feet from the road that will be there now forever?
Denise Longh December 01, 2011 at 03:12 AM
by the way, our taxes will be given to the bullder to help build these units. Is that okay with everyone? He has money already, we are giving him more and he is charging the same rental costs as most of the other apartment complexes in the area.
Kim March 08, 2012 at 04:22 PM
I live in PJS and our kids who are 22 and 18 call it Port Jeff Station, white trash nation and Port Defistation as it is... this is not a good idea.

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