A new piece of legislation being proposed in the state Senate that would allow villages to enforce early pub closing times is said to be one option to help Port Jefferson with its troubles downtown on weekend nights. But not everyone agrees, and instead favor greater police presence and active enforcement of village code to deter quality of life infractions and crime.
Although Suffolk police say that they are during peak times, residents are still concerned about the unruly crowds and want more to be done or else the village will go downhill fast.
“It’s bad,” admitted Mayor Margot Garant at a village board meeting on Monday evening.
Port Jefferson has changed over the years. It’s for tourists attracted to the beautiful views of the Long Island Sound, boutique shops, restaurants and its nightlife.
Some say that the late night visitors are the ones who make a mockery of the village’s provincial codes and bring up quality of life issues like public drunkenness, yelling, cursing, vandalism, littering and urinating in public.
“It’s the bars,” said Sandra Swenk at Monday’s village board meeting.
Swenk – a 52-year resident of the village who once served as Mayor – said that when she moved to Port Jefferson there were a lot less bars and saw a dramatic increase in their number in the last 20 years or so. The result, she said, is more people wandering around the village and residential areas where they park to avoid the metered lots doing things they shouldn’t.
Many locals say that they want their village back.
“We don’t want to feel like an armed camp,” resident Marge McCuen, said to a Suffolk Police officer at the meeting. “It’s good you’re here. I’m sorry it has to happen.”
Resident Lauren Hubbard said she’s ready to “throw up her hands” at what she sees.
“Beer bottles, drunk people parking on side streets,” she said of the crowd that invades the village every weekend.
Recently, New York State Senator Ken LaValle rode along with village Chief Constable Wally Tomaszewski and Suffolk County Police Chief James Burke to see what happens in Port Jefferson after dark.
“I think it was a real eye-opener,” LaValle told Patch in a recent phone conversation.
Besides touring parts of Port Jefferson Station and Upper Port, they spent some time downtown.
LaValle said that Chief Burke has the village on his radar now and with added police presence he thinks things will start to change.
“I’ll leave it to the authorities to develop their strategies to bring some order to make sure Port Jefferson maintains its village friendly atmosphere,” the senator said.
“It’s really unusual to have a state Senator do a ride along with your chief,” said Tomaszewski, highlighting the seriousness of the problem.
Village officials also brought up a new piece of legislation being proposed to allow villages throughout New York State to adopt local ordinances to close bars at 2 a.m.
The legislation was an idea generated in 2009 and prior Port Jefferson village officials had discussed it with the senator. According to LaValle, the legislation was put on the calendar this year but the Senate ran out of time to address it in the last session.
While some residents and officials might be behind this particular piece of legislation, others are not so quick to back it up.
“If all of New York State went along with it, I’d be all for it,” said Tommy Schafer, owner of two downtown establishments – and – and a member of the village’s Business Improvement District.
Schafer said that the law was a good idea but only if it was statewide. If only Port Jefferson village enforced the early closing time then all it would do is put local places out of business as patrons went elsewhere. He also said that he might take it up in court if the law passed.
“I don’t know if it would be grounds but I think a high percentage of the food and beverage industry would bring an immediate class action lawsuit,” he said.
Schafer said the solution to the problem is not closing the bars earlier, it's stopping the loitering by underage kids who don’t go into the bars having their own “parking lot parties” or people who engage what he calls “pre-gaming” before heading into the local pubs.
Code Chief Tomaszewski brought up the issue of “pre-gaming” at the last village board meeting and said it’s when people who go out on the town start drinking in their vehicles to avoid paying for more expensive drinks inside the bar.
Schafer said that stopping people from loitering in the parking lots would be the first place to start cleaning up the problem.
One difficulty that the village encounters is that code officers have no jurisdiction in the Brookhaven Town lots so people move over there to do their “pre-gaming.” Increasing Suffolk County Police presence can help with that problem as well as an agreement between Brookhaven and Port Jefferson for code officers to enforce those lots, according to Tomaszewski.
Police assured the community that they will see a greater presence with Suffolk’s COPE officers patrolling the village to enforce laws and deter people.
On the early-closing law, Schafer said he would welcome it if it was enforced across the board saying he’d also like to get home earlier after work.
“I’d be the happiest guy in the world,” he said.
LaValle brought up a bit of wisdom imparted on him when he was younger when discussing the legislation.
“My mother would remind us that nothing good happens after two o’clock in the morning,” he said.
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We should send the worst offenders (the businesses) a bill for the officers time. The officers, regrettably, are being tasked with baysitting for unruly bar patrons when they could be better deployed.
NOW that there's trouble DOWNTOWN the Mayor & company are all upset....Calling in extra police patrols, driving Senator LaValle around, looking to close bars earlier... WHERE THE HECK HAVE YOU BEEN ALL THESE YEARS???? Uptown has been rotting away...The Mayor and her board have been informed over and over ad nauseum, but nothing ever came of their empty promises...as a matter of fact, they have done LESS in the past 2-3 years than they were doing...Thinking that it's just uptown and didn't effect the beautiful downtown....Did ya really think it wasn't gonna trickle down main st?...Are you really surprized that you have problems now?...If it weren't for the fact that their solution (eg. close the bars earlier) will hurt the business owners downtown, I would laugh a hearty laugh...NOW you know how those of us uptown feel and why we've been crying out for help for all these years...Four more storefronts are about to become empty uptown...and you can thank Mayor Garant, Chief Wally & the rest of the PTB for the mess... Just be careful downtown folks/merchants that you stand up NOW and INSIST that something be done before you see you livelyhood shrivel up and die
Calling for laws to fix the symptoms of problems is dangerous territory. How about instead of passing a law to shut down bars early, we work on enforcing the existing laws. Start with having a few officers poking their heads in bars and checking if all those college freshmen are really 27. Then maybe try to do something about loitering, like those guys that park their cars or bikes on Main St and just stand there ALL DAY. I hate the idea of meters on Main St, but if it stops that from happening it would sure be nice. I'm no policeman, but I'm pretty sure if I was told all the problems were happening after 2 AM, I'd make sure to have a police presence after 2 AM, not at 8 PM. By midnight I rarely see cops in town. In Connecticut the cops are the most visible at the end of the night. They literally run the streets from midnight to 3 AM, making sure crowds are kept in line and stopping drunk drivers. This happens in towns as well as cities.
The "pre-gaming" is happening everywhere, but if people of any age are sitting in cars drinking that is ILLEGAL...Ticket these people, or at the very least police the parking lots and take the bottles away...As for the Brookhaven lot, I find it hard to believe that they would actually object to PJ Code poliicing their lots...Obviously (based on the new beach sticker fees) their budget is stretched to it's limits and that would be free monitoring of their lots....
Change the hours of the PJ Codies, instead of them leaving at 2am, have them work until 4....Get SCPD down there during the biggest trouble times (as mentioned by a poster above)... Put your heads together, work with the enforcement you have and stop the problem, don't punish more business owners
As for PJ being a "bar amusement park," that's no different than it was 20 years ago. And not dissimilar from Patchogue or Huntington. That's part of the draw of these towns, and why they were all named as some of the best places on LI for singles, and the best places to eat on LI.
I get the lure of the "bar amusement park" (in my day we had to drive from bar to bar, uphill, in the snow, both ways..LOL!) just 'splainin' for those who may not be aware of why there are so many folks milling around during "park hours"
However, I feel like the issue being addressed here is about downtown, not uptown (which we can all agree is a disaster). New laws don't sound like the answer when the existing laws aren't being enforced.
I realize the article is about downtown, I just find it very frustrating that it's big news requiring new laws, and ride arounds and the mayor's admission that it's "bad" because it's downtown... As for closing the bars earlier, as I said before, why punish the business owners?...ENFORCE the laws we have and deal with it!
While your utopian plan of a seaside non-commercial residential only village sounds lovely, are ya gonna scream when there is are no businesses and the burden of all of the taxes needed to run the village come from the homeowners?...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMiFmWPuvaQ That's why the PJ Board ignores that area because most of PJ is still in average condition.