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Update: Village Gets Feedback on New Noise Code

Some businesses say new code needs more exceptions.

At the public board meeting on Monday, Port Jefferson trustees discussed impending changes to the village’s noise code. Residents at the meeting came in on both sides of the issue, some complaining that the new code would goes to far to limit noise in the village, while others fully supported the changes.

An attorney for Northville Corporation asked the board to consider delaying its vote on the new noise code being considered for approval. Northville has a facility that transfers gasoline and heating oil shipped in from barges in Port Jefferson Harbor and its pumps generate noise that the company fears might cause a problem under the new code.

Currently code allows noise up to 75 decibels between 11 p.m. and 9 a.m. sustained for more than five minutes. All other times the acceptable noise level is 95 decibels.

The new code looks to lower the noise level to 50 decibels on Friday and Saturday nights from 11 p.m. to 7 a.m. and weekdays between 7 p.m. and 7 a.m. At all other times the code would allow noise levels up to 65 decibels.

Updated: Noise levels are from the property line.

According to an Environmental Protection Agency chart rainfall is around 50 decibels, normal conversation is about 60 decibels and a garbage truck measures around 100 decibels.

Reza Ebrahimi, the attorney representing Northville at the public meeting, said that the company is concerned that the way the law is rewritten it will be out of compliance. Calling their marine facility “critical to the county” the attorney said that their pumps generate “some amount of noise.”

Trustee Larry LaPointe said that to his knowledge the noise from the Northville facility has never measured.

“It would be helpful if when the barge came in, it could be measured,” he said.

Ebrahimi proposed that the village make one more exception to those already in the new code to allow for the marine facility.

“We’re asking law be tweaked a little bit and vote be delayed,” he said.

The company agreed to have village code chief Wally Tomaszewski measure the noise level while a barge was offloading.

Putting exceptions into the noise code is not unusual.

According to LaPointe the village was “very, very careful to make a whole series of exceptions.” Some examples include permitted fireworks and outdoor dining areas.

The village is not planning to spot-check noise to write tickets.

Mayor Margot Garant said that somebody still has to complain before a code officer is sent to a location to measure the noise.

If it exceeds village code, the officer will speak to the offender and ask them to turn down the volume of noise until it is within acceptable levels. The officer will return later to take another reading. If the noise level exceeds the code again, an appearance ticket will be issued.

LaPointe said that the noise level in the village on a busy night can be excessive at times, especially over the weekend.

“It’s like Mardi Gras in the streets,” he said.

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Charlie September 12, 2012 at 10:56 AM
Normal conversation is 60db, so no more talking after 11? No more yellin at the kid to get up for school before 7?
Living in Brookhaven September 12, 2012 at 11:21 AM
Why dont they focus on how to bring in more businesses into the town instead of placing limitations on the ones that are still here paying the bills? Come on Margo, put some *Real* effort into making upper port not look like a slum. Talking about it does not fix a problem.
Earl September 12, 2012 at 02:19 PM
Noise is an issue that is apparently far more important than crime and turning the area around, this is yet one more tidbit of proof. Why is there even a local gov't in PJV? It's such a complete joke and a waste of taxpayer money. Dissolve it all and put that money into REAL police coverage.
Mels Ditties September 12, 2012 at 03:00 PM
When there are real, serious problems in this town, WHY is time/energy/money spent of fluff like this?...It's just insane
Lon Cohen September 12, 2012 at 03:00 PM
Hi Charlie. I corrected the article. Initially we did not put in that the noise levels are measured from the property line. So although normal coversation is 60 decibels, the sounds level would have to measure over 50 decibels from the distance of the source of the noise to the edge of the property. - Lon
Steven September 12, 2012 at 09:05 PM
I agree, time and money is spent on such trivial issues rather than what is important. Ridiculous building codes, parking codes, now noise codes. The village needs an overhaul. Most people know and visit it for the bars and ice cream shops. Time to class up the village , bring in higher end stores, new restaurants, speciality shops, etc tha will help improve the villages reputation.
Earl September 12, 2012 at 09:28 PM
The trustees are too busy giving themselves raises. This is what that money is being spent on. Utterly ridiculous!
Jsk September 12, 2012 at 10:44 PM
This is what happens when you elect liberals to goverment and attorneys , As we see in Washington they like to spend and could care less .
Paul Packer September 14, 2012 at 02:43 PM
They should hand out tickets to some of the motorcyclists with loud modified mufflers. I like the motorcycles in town, but when one of them revs his bike with a modified muffler right on Main St., that's just plain rude and unnecessary.

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